Ramadan vs. Gay Krant
Tariq Ramadan is a guest professor in Rotterdam. I met him once, an intelligent, eloquent man. He has been accused numerous times and since ages, probably since he was born as the grand child of Hassan al Banna, of being insincere. On the one hand showing a ‘moderate’ and ‘liberal’ face towards non-Muslims while secretly having radical views and expressing these in a closed circle of Muslims. The latter face then would be his real, true face, the other just a mask. In the Netherlands this debate has resurfaced again after a gay magazine announced to ‘expose’ him.
In the texts on the cassettetapes Tariq Ramadan without hesitation says that ‘homosexual behaviour is a sign of an affection, a disorder and an unpoisedness.’ Many of his statements are written in the book Frère Tariq of Caroline Fourest. Ramadan denounces Fourest as a feminist lesbienne who cannot be taken serious. Al his tatements however can be found on cassettetapes meant for the Islamic constituency of the professor. Gay Krant listened to these tapes, wrote down the literal texts, and talked about it with former policitian Frits Bolkestein and writer Caroline Fourest.
The translation is mine, and also the links included in the quote.
The Gay Krant shows the controversial quotes:
GK.nl
On cassette QA 38 (timer 33:10) Ramadam says: “Dieu a voulu un norme et ce norme est “l’homme pour la femme et la femme pour l’homme” (timer 33:32) “Le message de l’islam de ce point de vue là est clair. ça n’est pas permis, ça c’est pas quelque chose qui entre dans la conception générale de l’homme.” En een paar secondes later : “L’homosexualité n’est pas quelque chose qu’on considère admis en islam”. And: “Ce comportement révèle une perturbation, un dysfunctionnement, un déséquilibre.”
On cassette QA 37 (timer 15:05) Ramadan says about women: “….dans la rue, mesure veut dire, on doit toujours avoir les yeux collés au béton.”
And on cassette QA 5 (timer 41:36) “Il y a un principe devant dieu. Si tu cherches á attirer le regard par les formes, ou par le parfum, ou par l’apparence, ou par les gestes, tu n’es pas dans le cheminement de la spiritualité.”
Ramadan gave the following reaction in a press statement:
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Over twenty years as an expert in Islam, I am involved in discussions and debates about women and gays in Islam. I have always defended the rights of women and I have never judged about gays regardless of my audience (Muslims, non-Muslims) and regardless the language (English, French, Arabic), or the location. The article consists of quotes that have been cut, twisted or are simply not correct. This is not to be taken seriously and is unacceptable.
Ramadan recommends everyone to read his views on his websites www.tariqramadan.com and www.vert-islam.com. The conservative liberals of VVD Rotterdam are fed up with him now (but felt that way already). The municipality of Rotterdam (that funds his chair at Erasmus University) has announced an inquiry.
Bolkestein was probably consulted because of a debate he had with Ramadan earlier. Bolkestein then referred to Fourests book but, as Ramadan at the time rightly argued, without reading the actual book. Story will continue probably. One thing I would like to know, what is the exact context of the statements, according to Gay Krant, made by Ramadan? What is the full text of his speech, when did he deliver the speech and where?
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